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Post by frankiegth on Dec 15, 2009 21:59:26 GMT
It wasn't the original question, but in the ensuing discussion the validity of smaller nations competing has been questioned.
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Post by loy PRA on Dec 15, 2009 23:14:16 GMT
It wasn't the original question, but in the ensuing discussion the validity of smaller nations competing has been questioned. Not at all. I cite my very first post on this thread; I thought the draw was well conducted and pots were well thought out and committed to providing equity for some of the smaller nations to have a crack at the whip. I feel the subsequent debate on the way weaker nations qualify for the competition has been undermined because certain people have managed to compare my views to the FA Cup (?), Factionalism (?), whether or not I'm appreciating other peoples' views on football (?) averands (?) and the fact they've been a forum moderator and not missed a game since wherever (?) and how much I experience I have in masterbation (?!?!?) However I must commend Robots, Sultan and Jase (PRA) for bringing strong footballing points into view amongst the carnage and reminders to keep things friendly. Without wanting to dwell on the less positive aspects of the current debate, I feel this current thinking of mindlessly championing anything that appears smaller or more obscure without any thought to the context is odd to say the least. However, I think most of the 'anger' of the thread has arised from the fact simply that this leeds fellow, ambersalamander and Frankie GTH just haven't read my posts and haven't appreciated the key points I've trying to put across. It makes me feel if I have to repeat myself in every post and thus risk sounding like a broken record + is incredibly frustrating so I must stress although it is your right to enter into the debate at any time, please at least read what I'm trying to say as I endeavour to construct every point a well thought out ideal based upon real experiences. Sultan gives an excellent response to the debate about the World Cup not knowing exactly what it is and Jase correctly discerning about my belief about FIFAs methods of expanding their influence as well Robots referencing Ziare's oddballs but oft seen contributions/accusations of 'trite' comments, disbelief that someone on a 'tinpot' forum would champion emphasis on elite football and the hope that the Central African Republic qualify so there can be an anagram of Club Frantic Rare Pelican are not in the spirit of thread. I don't dispute they're fun and appreciated points of view elsewhere, but I see relevance as a tenet and a common courtesy to the poster.
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Post by frankiegth on Dec 15, 2009 23:28:47 GMT
I must admit I tend to "scan" through posts as I don't visit the site daily and when confronted with large posts in prolonged debates I just stick my two penneth in.
Perhaps not the best way to debate but to me (at least) this is a footie forum and while I enjoy watching my team play there are far bigger issues in the world to get worked up about.
No offence meant loy PRA, or anyone else come to that.
Still stand by my OP that at best the draw is only half a free draw at best.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Dec 16, 2009 6:05:26 GMT
In response to whether the "minnows" should be given any sort of respect/chance/place/whatever in the world cup finals. I once remember a world cup final taking place between a team that LOST to CAMEROON (who weren't the strength then they've subsequently become) and a team that couldn't beat ALGERIA. That final was ARGENTINA v GERMANY. Oh dear! Frankie "Paxman" gth strikes again! ;D You're getting your world cups mixed up old bean! Argentina v W. Germany was in Italia 90. Argentina lost to Cameroon in the opening game of that competition. West Germany, however, had the UAE as the "floaters" in their group and summarily dismissed them 5-1. Cameroon, of course, went on to play England in the quarter final that year. The final i think you were alluding to was Spain 82, which was West Germany v Italy At the group stage, West Germany were beaten 2-1 by Algeria (England you have been warned). The Germans only qualified because the last group games were not played simultaneously back then. When the Germans went 1-0 up against Austria in the final game, both sides realised that was enough to see both of them through and played out a glorified training session. FIFA could, and should have tossed them both out and put through Algeria and Chile instead, but were as cowardly as ever. Italy drew their group game 1-1 against Cameroon. With the Italians having drawn 1-1 with Peru and 0-0 with Poland while Cameroon had drawn both their games 0-0, the Italians advanced by virtue of having scored one more goal than Cameroon and without winning a game, whilst Cameroon, like England that year, went home without losing a match.
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Post by frankiegth on Dec 16, 2009 11:12:10 GMT
In response to whether the "minnows" should be given any sort of respect/chance/place/whatever in the world cup finals. I once remember a world cup final taking place between a team that LOST to CAMEROON (who weren't the strength then they've subsequently become) and a team that couldn't beat ALGERIA. That final was ARGENTINA v GERMANY. PAXMAN here. ;D You're quite right Sultan I've got me world cups mixed up What you have to realize is I'm not as young as I once was and I tend not to "google" for info I just post from what is obviously a rapidly fading/confused memory; due quite possibly to alcohol ingestion and the fact my brain is full of sh1t. However you get the sentiment of the post albeit factually flawed with regard to which particular finals it was.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Dec 17, 2009 19:35:47 GMT
PAXMAN here. ;D What you have to realize is I'm not as young as I once was and I tend not to "google" for info I just post from what is obviously a rapidly fading/confused memory; due quite possibly to alcohol ingestion and the fact my brain is full of sh1t. Aw come on! I'll be hitting the big 5-oh in a few weeks time. I tend not to google things either and i'm sure you can't have any more rubbish in you head than i do!, yet i can still remember the 1969 FA Cup Final like it was yesterday! ;D (mind you i havent got a bloody clue where i put my works pass and locker keys when i came home from work 2 hours ago ) My advice to you would be to invest in a good set of ear defenders (if you have not already done so) as the persistent percussive waves that eminate from your musical instrument may be having a similar effect on you as the persistent percussive waves eminating from taking blows to their heads can have on a boxer. Act now, or one day you may be staggering across the terraces at 'uckna' , hands to your ears, wailing "the drum! the drum!"
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