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Post by frankiegth on Jan 17, 2008 7:40:05 GMT
Well done, awesome result and the best reward you could wish for. Go on, cause the biggest upset in footballing history, you know you want too. ;D
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Post by amberaleman on Jan 17, 2008 12:58:24 GMT
Great result! Never mind KK's return to Newcastle, we all know what the really big football story was yesterday.
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Post by samd on Jan 17, 2008 16:24:03 GMT
OMG! Awesome!!!! Will rip up my TV Licence and throw it at Mark Thompson if the BBC doesn't televise you! Think e-mails of complaint to the BBC for choosing to cover a match which was obviously going to be cr*p over Havant is in order. That and a sustained campaign to have the licence fee revoked seeing as they are behaving like a commercial TV station.
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Post by malxscfc on Jan 17, 2008 21:05:43 GMT
OMG! Awesome!!!! Will rip up my TV Licence and throw it at Mark Thompson if the BBC doesn't televise you! Think e-mails of complaint to the BBC for choosing to cover a match which was obviously going to be cr*p over Havant is in order. That and a sustained campaign to have the licence fee revoked seeing as they are behaving like a commercial TV station. Funnily enough I was Emailing just to that effect with 5 minutes left to play.
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Post by ojiveojive on Jan 17, 2008 22:59:26 GMT
OMG! Awesome!!!! Will rip up my TV Licence and throw it at Mark Thompson if the BBC doesn't televise you! Think e-mails of complaint to the BBC for choosing to cover a match which was obviously going to be cr*p over Havant is in order. That and a sustained campaign to have the licence fee revoked seeing as they are behaving like a commercial TV station. Being an old fart, I don't mind the licence fee - it's a darn sight cheaper than other subscription services, there are no bloody ads and the more commerciallly minded the Beeb are, hopefully will help to maintain the quality and the lower the increase in the fee will be next time.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Jan 19, 2008 7:31:28 GMT
Belated but none-the-less hearty congrats to the Hawks. A stunning result and at least something to read in the sports pages, now generally a no-go area for me with the Keegan/Newcastle coverage!
Enjoy that day out- you never know, the BBC might put the replay on live!
As for the BBC, i DO mind the licence fee. For a short time (until someone stumped up some cash) Signal 2 Radio were prevented from giving live reports on Stafford Rangers matches (their reporter was barred from the press box at Kettering Town)because the rights to Conference games were owned by the BBC! With Radio Joke ...er .Stoke... NOT DOING live reports on SRFC matches i was actually paying the BBC money to STOP others from giving me a service!
At least with sky i can -and did- tell that what to do with their service. I can boycott ITV's advertisers. However, i CAN'T tell the BBC where to get off without getting a heavy fine or going to jail. POLL TAX!!!!!!!!
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Post by malxscfc on Jan 19, 2008 14:15:21 GMT
Must confess I'm a Beeb junkie. From getting the recipe for Bechamel Sauce off their website, to having my texts read out on live Radio, I couldn't live without the b*stards. I'd happily pay my Licence Fee for Radio Five Live alone... (Hearing that Welsh Bird say "Whayne Rhrrroooooney" on the Traffic of a Saturday morning's worth £100 a year! ;D)
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Post by ojiveojive on Jan 19, 2008 14:39:19 GMT
As for the BBC, i DO mind the licence fee. For a short time (until someone stumped up some cash) Signal 2 Radio were prevented from giving live reports on Stafford Rangers matches (their reporter was barred from the press box at Kettering Town)because the rights to Conference games were owned by the BBC! With Radio Joke ...er .Stoke... NOT DOING live reports on SRFC matches i was actually paying the BBC money to STOP others from giving me a service! At least with sky i can -and did- tell that what to do with their service. I can boycott ITV's advertisers. However, i CAN'T tell the BBC where to get off without getting a heavy fine or going to jail. POLL TAX!!!!!!!! Sultan, you can blame Radio Joke for not doing live reports but you can't blame the BBC for wanting to protect its rights, you could blame the Conference for not inserting a clause into the contract detailing that if a local BBC station didn't do live reports on Conference teams, then another broadcaster could. I successfully sued Sainsbury's when they stole something that I owned the copyright to and published it on their website without permission. It's different strokes for different folks; I refuse to pay a penny to anything that Murdoch has an interest in due to my irrational loathing of the man and his business practices. I refused a lucrative publishing contract from one of his publishing houses not because I could afford to, but because I won't have anything to do with him or his businesses or take his shilling. For a hundred and thirty quid I get 7 radio stations, 4 TV stations plus for a one off payment of about forty quid I also get all the Freeview channels, which are more than enough for me. I'm not interested in watching wall to wall footie or any other sports for that matter, so I can live without the evil emperor .
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Jan 20, 2008 0:09:19 GMT
The point is that you have the right to tell Lord Voldemort exactly what to do with his Satan TV. He can't get you fined or sent to clink if you don't want it.
As you say, it's diff'rent strokes. We don't pay any Sky subscription. We had the sky digital (ASTRA 22' satellite) installed so that Mrs Sultan could continue to watch the PCNE (chinese language- free to air channel) when it migrated from the ASTRA 19'. I then turned my original dish to Eutelsat Hotbird 13' to pick up other chinese language services, NTDTv and CCTV4. Various free-to-air foreign channels give me live international football involving Germany, Portugal, Greece and Rumania on a regular basis. I can get live league matches from these countries, too plus the top Russian League on Planeta Sport and a variety of sports on Raisport, which often shows Italian Serie "C" games. The Algerian top league on A3 is also a sight to behold, rather like the Roman ampitheatre with a football thrown into the middle.
I could easily live without what i am forced, by law, to pay for. I object strongly to the way that MY money is used to award fat, astronomical salaries to the likes of Johnathan Woss and Graham Norton. If i listen to Smooth Radio on my way home from work, they get the news from a syndicated source and Mike Hollis has to read his own weather and travel. Tune in to Franksy on WM and he's got a newsreader, a sports reader, a traffic girl AND a weather reporter! Who is paying for all this? Why us of course!
I could live with it a lot better if the BBC were to come as a package with opt-ins rather than having to pay poll-tax to keep it afloat.
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Post by ojiveojive on Jan 20, 2008 11:06:10 GMT
I concur with you regarding doubling, trebling or even quadrupling up on presenters but the BBC is one of the few places that still actually trains people to work in the media. As for Wossy's or Norton's outrageous pay deals, it is but pennies from yours and the other twenty million licence holders' fees that goes to pay their inflated salaries, the rest goes to pay for the maintenance of the system and the production of some very high quality and some very low quality programming, plus, of course, outrageous salaries to executives, but then all TV executives earn outrageous salaries which we otherwise pay for through buying advertised products or subscription dues. Were you to say, hand on heart, that you never, ever, ever, ever listen to or watch any BBC radio or TV channel, then I think you would have a case but I have yet to come across anyone that claims never to tune in to at least one BBC channel at some time, a repeat of Only Fools And Horses, for example. Syndicated news distills the news into mini, bite sized chunks that can be sold to all and sundry, offering only that which the syndicator wants to offer across all platforms and outlets, thereby reducing choice, not only of subject matter but also time spent by journalists on investigating the subject. Syndicated news offers the cheapest option. Incidentally, if you watch or listen to podcasts on a computer, after the original broadcast, you do not need a licence, you only need a licence to watch, listen to or record broadcasts at the time of their transmission via the airwaves, this applies to all services, not just the BBC, but I believe that only the BBC offers this service at the moment.
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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Jan 21, 2008 12:46:53 GMT
Sorry folks; not been on here much following a house move. No netty-access for another week or more, so it's work-web only! Still cannot believe we are off to Anfield. Still cannot believe that we will have got to the 4th round propoer of the FA Cup without featuring on live TV! Still there you go...
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Post by ojiveojive on Jan 21, 2008 14:44:49 GMT
The non league paper are running a poll to see whether or not The Hawks' game should be on live TV. Link: www.non-leaguedaily.com
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Post by malxscfc on Jan 22, 2008 16:38:05 GMT
The BBC is also still the world's greatest News Organisation, which doesn't come cheap. And by and large it has a limited political agenda, so you don't have to suffer the brainwashing of Fox, CNN and Sky-orientated programming. Plus the BBC's mobile Sports website is second to none, www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/bbcsport/ , is complimentary, and actually seems to post accurate live scores, which is nice!
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Jan 22, 2008 17:48:18 GMT
I don't doubt that the BBC has a lot going for it, though i did have to laugh out loud at the "by and large it doesn't have a political agenda" because from my point of view some of the stuff is so pro- Labour it's unbelievable. Could you imagine Peter Hain being let off so lightly if he'd been a member of the Major government in the 1990's?
Don't like Fox, CNN, Sky? You and I both. Cool. Walk away. Keep your walllet in your pocket, it's your money. There's not a damned thing Murdoch can do about it. Up yours, Lord Voldemort!
Don't like Wossy and Norton? Think BBC 1 is pants? Switch off. But you've still got to pay for it else they send you a summons!
Oh, and by the way, don't be fooled! Nothing you get from the BBC is "complementary." It may be free at the point of delivery but we have already paid for it out of the licence fee! Only in Brown's Britain can people be coddled into thinking not paying twice for something is a saving!
There have been some very eloquent and spirited defences of the BBC on here, but none actually addresses MY beef with it, ie I would rather have the right to OPT IN instead of being coralled into it on pain of a fine or gaol.
When we are all forced to go digital in a few years time, it shouldn't be too difficult to scrap the POLL TAX and replace it with a subscription service where we can opt in to the bits that we like and keep Wossy and Norton scrambled. The people who like them, would, of course, still be free to opt in if they so wish!
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Post by ojiveojive on Jan 23, 2008 14:06:03 GMT
Sorry, Sultan, but by changing malxscfc's quote from: "by and large it has a limited political agenda" to "by and large it doesn't have a political agenda" you have shot yourself in the foot - in my view there is a world of difference between the two quotes. I think that in general the BBC attempts to tread as neutral a path as it is possible to tread without upsetting the government of the day, whatever colour it may be. As for Peter Hain, in my opinion he should be sacked along with any other politician that tries to absolve themself of blame for any number of 'sleights of hand' or 'misjudgements'. These people are supposed to be relatively intelligent people who aspire to govern us and as such should be above reproach when it comes to financial dealings and issues of trust. Ignorance, being no excuse for us, is no excuse for them, either.
As for opting in or out of financing the BBC, we pay many taxes that we disagree with. I, for example, would like to have my share of taxes used for purchasing weapons diverted to the NHS or to charities but I'm not allowed to do this. Why should we all pay a notional value added tax on most purchases? I'd like to opt out of that one as it costs me far more than the BBC over the year and it is particularly painful to lower income earners who wind up paying a far higher percentage of their income in VAT than that paid by high earners. What about tax on the interest earned on savings, not that I've got any but why should one be taxed on prudence? If you spend it you get taxed, if you save it you get taxed. Why should old people that have paid into a national health service to look after them in their dotage have to sell their homes in order to receive care that is essential to their health and well-being? As for paying twice for things, check your food bill. In order to have 'cheap' food every man, woman and child in the country is paying £20 a week each in taxes to subsidise the production of that 'cheap' food. Sorry, mate, but to me the BBC is worth its weight in gold and should it eventually be commercialised, which would be the result of doing away with the licence fee, its programming would become similar to most of the car crash TV that my fourteen year old daughter watches in a need to chase ratings and assuage its advertisers. What commercial channel would air the fascinating scientific Christmas lectures or other minority interest programmes? Public service broadcasting is precisely that, a public service, and as such needs to be funded by everyone. Commercial television, not only by its very nature but also by law, must follow the money path in order to satisfy its legal obligations to maximise the returns on the investments of its shareholders.
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