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Post by Giggy of Telford on Jul 1, 2006 18:12:02 GMT
What a prat getting himself sent off.
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Post by coops on Jul 1, 2006 20:11:30 GMT
What a prat getting himself sent off. Yes, but everyone knows he plays on a short fuse and the odd sending off is inevitable, what is more unforgiveable is going into a major tournament with one fit but very average forward (Crouch), two crocked forwards (Owen and Rooney) and one totally unproven forward who you had no intention of playing anyway. England deserved, and got, bugger all, and it was inevitable from the moment the squad was announced.
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Post by frankiegth on Jul 1, 2006 20:19:07 GMT
You're takin' the piss surely. The real villain was the ref, having blow his whistle for the penalty to be taken and it being duly despatched into the net , Their 'keeper gives it some "I wasn't ready".
Sven, at that point should have said my players refuse to take any further kicks.
Sort that out you Argentinian bastard, 'cos we're in the right.
If it had happened in a Sunday morning game there would have been uproar. Then again it's only the world cup.
Boy am I really, really pissed.
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Post by Giggy of Telford on Jul 1, 2006 21:12:28 GMT
It just irritates me that he got all this hype and when it came down to it he was crap every single game.
Ref seemed to be against us from the start (the more cynical of us would bring up the fact he was Argentinian so his judgements may have been swayed by the fact we were England.)
But Rooney got himself sent off, as irritating as C.Ronaldo is Rooney can have no complaints with his red card, being a man down for so much of the game could easily have been what cost us the game.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Jul 1, 2006 21:49:43 GMT
Sorry but i have a lot of complaints about that red card because Rooney had done the the thick-end of bugger-all really. He'd actually tried to stay on his feet and win the ball instead of doing a three-point twist with double-salko and pike like Ronaldo and his mates did whenever an opponent was within a yard of them.Should have been a free-kick to us.
Football is fast becoming a joke sport now at all levels. The instances of simulation, diving and all-out cheating must be at a record high. What happened to yellow cards for "simulation"? Seems they only apply those the wrongly accused of fouling the divers!
Incidently, i'm really glad that Scolari is not going to be the next England manager. Would we really want to see our national team putting on displays such as Portugal did today?
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Post by ojiveojive on Jul 2, 2006 8:59:49 GMT
The penalty was apparently disallowed because the ref HADN'T blown his whistle and we all know what a play actor Ricardo is after his shenanigans in the Euro 2004 quarters. I'm of the opinion that at penalties, if the keeper isn't ready it's his own fault, he bloodywell should be.
Yes, Rooney should have had a foul, in fact probably three for the same incident, however that doesn't excuse him standing on the guy's knackers followed by raising both arms to push Ronaldo away which is what got him the red card.
I agree with you, coops, regarding Sven's squad. I also believe he's tactically inept at international level. Not having any decent fit strikers was unforgiveable, as was sending Defoe home. Taking Joe Cole off was stupidity of the highest degree, he and Ashley Cole were working together brilliantly and Joe can always come up with something outstanding. It meant Gerrard going to wide left which isn't his best position and restricted him from foraging forwards as much as he should have been. A better move would have been to take Lennon off, play Jenas up front (bags of pace and a bloody good shot) and sacrifice Hargreaves for Carrick playing the linking role, freeing up Lampard and Gerrard to go forwards. But then what the eff do I know?
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Post by bonehead on Jul 2, 2006 10:01:50 GMT
What ojive said! And SGE was paid (allegedly) £4.5 million a year for being totally inept and boring
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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Jul 4, 2006 21:08:48 GMT
So what it all comes down to then, is an overpaid and ulitmately inept manager who chose the wrong players for the world's greatest footballing spectacle. The ones who were fit were not actually good enough, and the ones who were not fit at the outset shouldn't have been there at all. right?
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Post by luvlydory on Jul 4, 2006 22:14:34 GMT
yep
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Post by ojiveojive on Jul 4, 2006 22:59:14 GMT
I'll go along with that.
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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Jul 7, 2006 0:19:06 GMT
Well fan my nether regions with a bunch of freshly harvested dewy ferns! We appear to have a quorum. This concerns me. I mean. If us humans were put on this earth to agree with each other, we'd have no need for ACAS now, would we? ;D Still. Ne'er mind, eh? Ultimately , we were found out. The countries with the "Shhush, don't mind us - we are poo, but please don't tell anyone" sort of media appear to have been vindicated.
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Post by bonehead on Jul 8, 2006 9:43:37 GMT
I can't have this! Some of us agreeing??
Obviously you fell for my cunning plan. SGE is/was the best England manager in the history of the last few years. His tactics of holding onto the ball for as long as possible were obviously ruined by his highly-paid players' decision to hoof the ball at the earliest possible opportunity. It reminded me of the dark days of Kevin Wilson in charge at a certain E Midlands club.
On the plus side, the partnership of Cole and Cole on the left, Owen Hargreaves' emergence from the shadows and the part Michael Carrick played were nice to see. Shame about the ineffectiveness of Lampard (so he had most shots at goal at least until the quarter finals but how many challenged the 'keeper?) and Beckham (ok he officially got one goal from a direct free kick but how crap was he generally?) left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I'm still drinking Special Brew to get rid of that (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it) :-)
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Post by ambersalamander on Jul 8, 2006 10:00:41 GMT
Hello bonehead. i like you
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Post by ojiveojive on Jul 8, 2006 12:47:03 GMT
What bonehead said! And SGE was paid (allegedly) £4.5 million a year for being totally inept and boring.
Much mutual backslapping ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Jul 9, 2006 2:11:14 GMT
With his record of qualifying for three major tournements in a row and then getting into the quarter-finals, only to lose two on penalties, SGE could have become a soccer legend...... if only he had acheived it as manger of Scotland!!!!
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