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Post by bh on Feb 1, 2008 2:22:00 GMT
First British winners no less!!!!!
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 1, 2008 14:55:48 GMT
I hate to piss in your beer but the first British team to win a European trophy, the forerunner of the European Cup, back in the 1930s, was Moor Green. The Trophy was called the Verviers Trophy and was competed for in Belgium by professional European teams and the then amateur Moor Green, as the FA refused to allow English professional teams to enter it. Moor Green won the trophy in 1932/33 and again in 1936/37, the largest crowd Moor Green ever played against in their entire history was when they beat Ajax away in front of 15,000 spectators.
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 3, 2008 12:22:45 GMT
I think he meant that we were the first British winners of this particular trophy (the Anglo-Italian semi-pro tournament) which is true. In fact, were we not the ONLY British winners?
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 3, 2008 21:54:54 GMT
My humble apologies if I came across as arrogant, I didn't mean to, I didn't see any reference to the aforementioned trophy. Congratulations, when was your victory? By the way I love telling Celtic and ManUre fans that they weren't the first British or English team to win the European Cup, Moor Green were ;D.
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 3, 2008 22:24:49 GMT
You didn't sound arrogant at all, dear chap. 1979 is the answer to your question, before I were born. Even my ancient boyfriend was less than eighteen months old ;D
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Post by bh on Feb 4, 2008 17:04:43 GMT
Saw some of the group matches myself, very posh it was too, not! Didn't go to Italy though. We were winners one year, runners up the next! Hmmmmmmmmm, must have been a babe in arms, mustn't I Amber! Ojiveojive, no problem m8. Just at the moment us Us's have not much but our memories!!
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 4, 2008 21:18:45 GMT
...and yours is going
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Post by bh on Feb 5, 2008 16:20:59 GMT
and who are you? ?
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Feb 18, 2008 21:11:38 GMT
First British winners of a European trophy were West auckland Town in 1909 (Quote)Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy (Torino)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This competition was organised in Torino, Italy, by the British industrial Sir Thomas Lipton, and involved clubs from Italy, England, Switzerland and Germany. Originally the English FA were invited, but they declined, and instead West Auckland FC, a club from the County of Durham, enter as English representatives. The 'World Cup' was to be won by the first club to win it on two successive occasions, and West Auckland FC won both editions played. In January 1994 the trophy, kept at West Auckland Workingmen's Club, was robbed and never seen again.
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Year Winners Runners-Up 1909 West Auckland FC 2-0 FC Winterthur 1911 West Auckland FC 6-1 Juventus FBC
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1909 Participants: Torino XI (Italy) Stuttgarter Sportfreunde (Germany) West Auckland FC (England) FC Winterthur (Switzerland)
Semifinals [Apr 11] Stuttgarter Spfr. 0-2 West Auckland [Whittington 10, Dickinson 88pen] Torino XI 1-2 Winterthur [F.Berardo 13; Lang 25, 55pen]
Third Place Match [Apr 12] Torino XI 2-1 Stuttgarter Spfr. [De Bernardi 35, Zuffi II 75; Kipp 15]
Final [Apr 12] West Auckland 2-0 Winterthur [R.Jones 6pen, J.Jones 8]
1911 Participants: Juventus FBC (Italy) FC Zürich (Switzerland) West Auckland FC (England) FC Torino (Italy)
Semifinals [Apr ?] Zürich 0-2 West Auckland Juventus bt Torino
Third Place Match Torino 2-1 Zürich
Final [Apr 17] Juventus 1-6 West Auckland
Note: as successive winners of two editions, West Auckland FC retained the trophy.
(C) Copyright Andrea Veronese and RSSSF 2002/04 You are free to copy this document in whole or part provided that proper acknowledgement is given to the author. All rights reserved.
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 18, 2008 22:27:03 GMT
I was always taught that the Lipton Trophy was, as mentioned, the first World Cup competition - not the forerunner of the European Cup.
How arrogant of the FA to refuse permission for professional teams to play in either competition and also to ban league clubs from allowing women's teams from playing, thereby killing the women's game stone dead when it was becoming as popular as the men's game.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Feb 19, 2008 5:01:38 GMT
So technically you still have it! Can't find any stats for the Verviers Trophy on rsssf.com but found this image thanks to Boldmere St Michaels FC who also won it in 1939 miketalbot2198.fotopic.net/p45565802.htmlWe appeared in the 1975/6 Anglo Italian tournement, beating Udinese (yes, the one now in Serie "A") 3-2 and losing 1-0 to Monza at Marston Road. These were the 2 strongest Italian teams in there, Monza having already secured promotion to Serie B and Udinese also strong in Serie "C" and having just sold a player for £500,000. Manager Colin Meldrum was sacked just prior to the return matches in Italy, allegedly for his off-field drinking habits and we duly lost 6-2 at Udinese. I phoned the club secretary's home to find out how we were getting on and was told by his wife that the team had been struck down by a tummy bug just before the game. Fellow fans who made the journey later said that this was actually the result of too much "Il vino collapso". Scarborough manager Colin Appleton took charge of the team for the last game in Monza where the Superstripes gave what has been described by those present as "the finest ever performance by a Stafford Rangers side" to draw 1-1 with the Serie B outfit unluckily conceding a late equaliser. Monza beat Wimbledon 1-0 in the final.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock not loggedin on Feb 19, 2008 5:20:24 GMT
[ I like you Sulty: Like and respect you a great deal. No doubt armed with a completely rational argument for what, in print, appears to be a totally random list of pet hates, we really must crack a carton of juice and discuss at length. I must enquire as to where the Saintees from Perth rest within your wardrobe of sporting preference - just wondering... As for the global slant, that is a little more tangential methinks - but, while I cannot claim to actively hate any sporting franchise across the pond, for example, I do find mysefl being drawn to some for no real reason - The GB Packers, for example; though with theirs being an example of mass ownership, there is surely something there for the armchair-owners of Graveyard & Busfleet to aspire to! I seem to have missed this one! While jealously guarding close to half a century of heterosexuality i must say that the feeling is mutual. You, Amber and me seem to go back a long a way considering the old Pyramid Portal days of Colonel Hawk and Sutton Sal! Your Saintees from Perth were a little below the radar, though they did pick up some sympathy points for finishing bottom of the top league when the Scots first went to a 3 division format. Last week they won at Ross County, thus preventing my beloved Staggies from making the SFA Cup quarter finals. The referee has in due course handed the Saintees a severe lecture but chosen, on this occaision, to keep his cards in his pocket. My Aunt Max, ("a GI bride" well into her 80's) lives in Wisconsin and is a strong supporter of the Pack. She also has a pathological dislike of MY favourites the Chicago Bears! Seems this kind of thing runs in the genes....
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 19, 2008 19:35:35 GMT
Interestingly, my Uncle Stephe and his family are also fans, living in Wisconsin as they do, and some of it rubbed off onto my older brother He hates football.
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 19, 2008 23:09:09 GMT
I've been to Green Bay in the winter and pretty desolate it was, too. Everybody in Wisconsin hates The Bears, I guess it's a bit like Sutton and Carsh**ton Customer perusing the menu in a diner in Wyoming: "What would you recommend for a vegetarian?" Waitress: "I'd recommend you leave the state." I have a younger brother that hates all forms of sports.
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 20, 2008 22:20:21 GMT
I'm the only real sports fan in my family. Gets a bit lonely sometimes.
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