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Post by Meadow on Jul 14, 2008 11:00:56 GMT
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Post by coops on Jul 14, 2008 19:12:30 GMT
I don't necessarily feel thay have been harshly treated, they failed to agree a CVA and effectively went out of business and reformed as a new club. The usual punishment for that in non-league circles is to be demoted at least two divisions.
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Post by Meadow on Jul 14, 2008 19:48:01 GMT
I don't necessarily feel thay have been harshly treated, they failed to agree a CVA and effectively went out of business and reformed as a new club. The usual punishment for that in non-league circles is to be demoted at least two divisions. Fair enough. I just brought it to folk's attention in case they felt differently. |
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Post by coops on Jul 14, 2008 22:47:07 GMT
I don't necessarily feel thay have been harshly treated, they failed to agree a CVA and effectively went out of business and reformed as a new club. The usual punishment for that in non-league circles is to be demoted at least two divisions. Fair enough. I just brought it to folk's attention in case they felt differently. No problem, I recki=on I'm in a minority anyhow! |
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Post by pies on Jul 15, 2008 1:23:55 GMT
To be fair after the Leeds debacle last year, the Football League were always going to come down heavy on clubs with persistant finacial issues. Unfortunatly this 20 point deduction for Luton comes fresh on the heels of another 10 point deduction for what was more or less cheating by a previous owner of the club. The punishment for going into administration may be harsh (remember this is Luton's 3rd period of Administration in 10 years), but the rules are there for a reason. It wasn't to long ago that clubs like Leicester and Ipswich were using administration as a way of clearing their debts safe in the knowledge that they wouldn't recieve any footballing penalties. Unfortunatly Luton have had a succesion of duff owners and are feeling the wrath of the new-ish rules, and it appears that they won't be alone as AFC Bournmouth and Rotherham United are facing heavy points deductions.
Personally I think the FA/FL/PL should be looking at the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool each of whom have rung up massive debts to get in their current aloof position from the rest of the English club game. That is Footballs real finacial shame.
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Post by ewelldon on Jul 15, 2008 7:05:07 GMT
nafi, I agree with you re: MU, CFC etc. I guess with Luton the FA decided a 30 point deduction was as good as demotion without the late change in divisional set up (who would replace them with 1 month to go?). Shame the club were not forward thinking enough to prevent this as the only people it really hurts are the supporters who spend their hard earned money following them and buying the shirts. It's gonna be a tough season for Hatters fans but one that could bring the town together
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Post by Croc on Jul 15, 2008 21:05:27 GMT
Boston have been harshly treated over the past two/three seasons
Luton have not - they have had two different punishments for two different instances of rule breaking.
The one has resulted in a 10 point deduction.
The other has resulted in an automatic 15 point deduction plus a 5 point deduction for it being multiple occurances of this situation.
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Post by frankiegth on Jul 15, 2008 21:37:35 GMT
The whole issue of football clubs and their varying degrees of financial mis-management and the punishments dished out does my head in.
There seems to be very little consistancy.
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Post by coops on Jul 15, 2008 23:27:37 GMT
The whole issue of football clubs and their varying degrees of financial mis-management and the punishments dished out does my head in. There seems to be very little consistancy. This is the crux of the matter. The FA need to sit down and draw up guidelines for every scenario, be it points deductions or automatic demotions, whatever, but it needs clarifying. |
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Post by ojiveojive on Jul 16, 2008 13:55:42 GMT
Ok, here goes:
For every million pounds of debt carried at the end of the season Premiership clubs lose 1point.
For every half million £ clubs in the Championship lose 1 point.
For every quarter million £clubs in Leagues 1 & 2 lose 1 point.
For every £100,000 clubs in BSP, BSN & BSS lose 1 point.
The rest could be worked out pro rata.
The result? Probably little change as most clubs are run at a loss.
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Post by coops on Jul 16, 2008 19:17:15 GMT
Would that mean Manchester United and Chelseas starting this season with about -600 points?
I'm all for it then.
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Post by ambersalamander on Jul 16, 2008 20:49:29 GMT
unfortunately, for that rule to be fair it would depend on all clubs in each league having similar budgets and assuming that clubs in lower leagues have smaller budgets which they don't always  Better than anything the FA could come up with though  |
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Post by frankiegth on Jul 16, 2008 21:22:42 GMT
Would'n't it be good if the rules of entry to all competitions depended on each club having to prove it was financially sound without the help of a generous benefactor.
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Post by J Esaj PRA on Jul 17, 2008 12:39:58 GMT
Would'n't it be good if the rules of entry to all competitions depended on each club having to prove it was financially sound without the help of a generous benefactor. Well, that's your mob extinct then. You turn up on a regular basis and pay to watch - that is the very definition of 'generous benefactor' in my book. And what about all those companies that are 'sponsors'? More 'generous benefactors'? If you can persuade some rich mug to bung lots of cash into your club, well done to you. The solution to this should be fairly simple. Football Clubs should be treated like any other business, except 'debt dodging' schemes such as CVAs should be blocked. Clubs in financial trouble should be forced to fold, losing their status, history and name in the process. Take a clubs history and status and debt dodging becomes less attractive. Forming new clubs with names that differ only from another club's name by variations of FC and/or AFC (and things like tagging on a year) should be blocked. If you are a new club that should be clearly reflected in the club's name. Squad budgeting rules should apply and be enforced at all levels. Clubs should not be able to offer 'signing on' fees to players, either directly or indirectly. Basic club accounts should be published in public. Any financial activity beyond a certain threshold should be declared immediately (e.g. transactions to build new grounds, etc.) Things need to be made more transparent. Clubs need to be more accountable to their fans. The borderline 'criminal' activity needs to be blocked. Lots of 'corrupt' clubs need to die. I doubt any of the above will ever happen. |
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Post by Giggy of Telford on Jul 17, 2008 15:16:22 GMT
The only people punished by that system are fans though. As a general rule fans are the only peopel who haven't done anything wrong in such a situation.
It's the equivalent of throwing the victim of a crime in jail rather than the person who commited it.
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