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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Nov 13, 2007 13:32:58 GMT
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Post by pies on Nov 13, 2007 14:41:37 GMT
I believe in the principle of Supporter Trust ownership, mainly because it involves actual supporters of the club owning a part of the club that they support, but not the playing side. This myfootballclub idea seems to me to be quite stupid, if only because you have a large number of people, who (for the most part i bet) have no previous interest in the club having a say in all aspects of the running of the club including players on match-day. I feel sorry for the supporters of Gravesend/Ebbsfleet, as i think this will end in tears.
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Post by coops on Nov 13, 2007 16:50:58 GMT
I'm in the "not on your life" bracket.
A football club IS it's supporters.
Poor G&N, first they lose their name, now they've lost their soul.
20,000 people trying to play real-life Championship Manager.
*EDIT*
I've just read an apparently serious suggestion from one of the new owners saying that they should now be allowed to pick a new club badge, new kit colours and change the name if they wish.
For f**k's sake.
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Post by pies on Nov 13, 2007 17:16:32 GMT
Supporters Direct issued this statement about today's news
'Supporters Direct today issued the following statement about the imminent takeover of Ebbsfleet United Football Club by website consortium, 'Myfootballclub.co.uk':
Spokesperson Kevin Rye, said: "Fundamentally, playing fantasy manager is not about responsible democratic supporter representation or community ownership, which are the core values of the trust movement.
"Indeed we are one of the most vigorous exponents of reform of the ownership structures in football, but our interests are in long term sustainability and governance of clubs.
"This might be seen as a one off gimmick, harmless enough by many, however this is a real football club, these are real finances, and real fans. The question needs to be asked what happens to the club finances and its supporters if the novelty starts to wear off?"'
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Post by ifuckinrule on Nov 13, 2007 18:31:29 GMT
if all the new 30000 owners of ebbsfleet turn up each week they'll soon be up in the football league.
its a very stupid idea though. its so stupid i'm surprised hednesford didnt go for it. probably because the myfootball people didnt look that far down the pyramid.
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Post by amberaleman on Nov 13, 2007 23:40:35 GMT
I'm reserving judgement on this. I think it's an interesting concept - though I admit straightaway that I wouldn't want my club to have been taken over by the website crew.
The injection of funds could make a real difference to Ebbsfleet's fortunes. But the sheer number of interested parties could create all sorts of problems. The ordinary fan will be even more removed from influence over the club's decision-making. And the admirable democratic principle on which all this is founded could actually make running the club quite a cumbersome process. "We'd like to buy that player. OK, let's all have a vote. Should we buy him for £x? You've got two days to say yes or no. Try for a lower price? Too late - he's signed for somebody else!"
What happens if there's a vociferous minority of stakeholders who disagree with the majority decisions? Will a big bunch of enthusiastic amateurs end up making better decisions than an experienced chairman and manager able to negotiate on the hoof and make quick decisions? Time will tell!
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Post by ambersalamander on Nov 14, 2007 18:01:49 GMT
Your last paragraph gave me a vision of disgruntled splinter groups going off in a huff and forming new clubs all over the shop!
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Post by DazaB_WCFC on Nov 14, 2007 18:07:00 GMT
I'm happy they've stayed away from Worcester put it that way!!!
I can't understand why they didn't form their own club. They could even have a vote on where it should be based. Tossers.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Nov 14, 2007 21:14:28 GMT
its a very stupid idea though. its so stupid i'm surprised hednesford didnt go for it. probably because the myfootball people didnt look that far down the pyramid. I'm not. The blessed Brumpton at Sleaze Park is no more going to let go of his little empire any more than the financially and cerebrely depleted folks who run Stafford Rangers. I profess myself neither mad, sad or glad about this. My money isn't in it. According to Radio Stoke Ebbsfleet's first home game under the new regime will be against Stafford Rangers so i won't be too disappointed if the championship manager mob start off with a loss!  |
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Post by malxscfc on Nov 16, 2007 10:07:50 GMT
In reality I think they may have the power/umph/wherewithall to actually go up the Leagues, especially if the PR and democratic element is handled well - let's face it, that 20,000 might only be 10,000 next year, but it MAY actually become 100,000!!
But I'd hate it to happen to Salisbury. Would surgically remove the Club's soul in one simple, hermetically clean procedure.
Why couldn't they have just started with a brand new Club, with no heart-and-soul fans to wound?
- Answer?
Patience..... No one's got any anymore.
Right. Gotta go.
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Post by Giggy of Telford on Nov 23, 2007 23:21:52 GMT
The idea of a club being owned by its actual fans is a reasonableone. Having recently received the yearly finances for AFCTU recently and on its own steam the club made a £7000 profit this year. The day to day running is done by a board and people are voted onto it by members of the supporters trust at the AGM. No one cares more about a club than its fans, therefore if done sensibly it can work, as I'm sure others will agree.
Two words stand out from the above though in this case.
Of course if its a group of people who have bought in over the internet and have already suggested changing the club name/badge/colours that proves the first point wrong.
As for the second; there may be more planning behind it than I know of but as a business prospect it seems risky at best. As a footballing prospect I can't see it working. A manager is hired because he (should) know what to do. To then have him being told what team to play and what tactics seems an accident waiting to happen. As a prospect for the genuine fans they have my sympathy. A lot of things could go wrong and at the end of the day they will be the ones hurt if something does.
Hopefully, for the fans' sake it will work out. If so the results could be interesting. It would be very sad to see the core soul of the club drowned out however because of this. I honestly have no idea how this will work out and will be keeping an eye on it.
For what it's worth I went with the supporters trust option in the poll.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Nov 25, 2007 8:34:10 GMT
For those that who are against the takeover, apologies for letting everyone down today. This is from GaryH who used to do SRFC reports on local radio:
(Quote)Rangers did not sit back and try and hold the lead.At 1-0 up, Rangers were the better side and Ebbsfleet were getting frustrated. We then saw a shocking decision by the linesman cost us a possible three points. When the ball was played out of defence, Purcell was at least a yard offside directly in front of the linesman (this was directly in line with the Press Box so could be seen clearly by all). He waved play on and the finish was superb. Robbo was apoplectic and would have been sent off by many a referee.
Eribenne was sent off for a headbutt - no-one in the press box saw it but there were no complaints by Daish. Rangers better performers were Smith and Grayson. Worrying injury to Murray and if Potter leaves at the end of his loan i.e now we are without a left back next week. Jimmy again had a nightmare and Humphrey was a complete disappointment - no ball control, no delivery, minimal work rate. Potter as a left sided midfielder was a major mistake - totally uncomfortable in the role. Robbo came on near the end and almost created an equaliser for Ross Draper with a decent piece of skill.(unquote)
So it's 4pts from 6 for the new regime and the karma seems to be running their way at the moment...
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