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Post by medibot on Feb 5, 2008 20:40:58 GMT
For being such a bloody genius with his kicking and all round play on Saturday and making a lot of people very, very happy and a lot of arrogant commentators look very, very stupid. Yes, Wales still aren't that brilliant but we won and we believe we can win and with our very own kicking genius, we might have a chance.  |
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 6, 2008 9:14:02 GMT
My wife is Welsh and apart from Wimbledon and the Olympics her only interest in sport is Welsh international rugby so, on Saturday, knowing that she would be watching England thrashing the Celts, I was going to stay at Solihull Moors' club until after the rugby had finished to give her time to calm down. Unfortunately the old chap I give a lift to wanted to go home straight after the match in order to watch Watford v Wolves on Setanta. I arrived back at half time with England leading 19 - 6, (I think, I don't actually follow rugby) and decided to put the car straight into the garage which is a hundred yards down the road and would buy me an iota more of calm before the storm. Sure enough, she was ensconced on the settee in a mood that would have made Beelzebub flee in terror, then, the Welsh scored!!! Oh how the mood changed as the Angles capitulated and were overrun by the Celts. Oh Joy Oh Joy and a good evening was had by all ;D ;D ;D.
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Post by acwcfc on Feb 6, 2008 13:59:55 GMT
I had a hideous evening Saturday- really not good being in Cardiff when Wales have won  |
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 6, 2008 15:00:53 GMT
I had a nice quiet drink  |
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Post by medibot on Feb 6, 2008 15:13:40 GMT
So did i, although i followed it it up with rather more nice quiet drinks before finally stumbling out of the latest opening pub in Brighton at well past 2am.
Joyous stuff.
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Post by martello on Feb 10, 2008 11:50:16 GMT
For being such a bloody genius with his kicking and all round play on Saturday and making a lot of people very, very happy and a lot of arrogant commentators look very, very stupid. Yes, Wales still aren't that brilliant but we won and we believe we can win and with our very own kicking genius, we might have a chance. Hang on...weren't you the one, dear Medi, who was deriding England's kicking tactics under a certain Mr Wilkinson?   |
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Feb 10, 2008 12:39:59 GMT
Hang on...weren't you the one, dear Medi, who was deriding England's kicking tactics under a certain Mr Wilkinson? Ahhhh. my dear, young naive Mr Martello!  As a connoisseur of Celtic hypocracy going back almost half a century, let me tell you that the simple explanation is that the English kicking game was an evil, rugby-wrecking terror-weapon, whereas the WELSH kicking game merely pulls opponents out of position and puts points on the board!  It's frightening to think that the last time the sheep-huggers won at Twickers i was still 27, young, newly-married and at the height of my powers. This time i'm pushing 50 and heading rapidly downhill. Next time i'll be nearly 70!!!!!!  |
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 10, 2008 16:30:58 GMT
It's frightening to think that the last time the sheep-huggers won at Twickers i was still 27, young, newly-married and at the height of my powers. This time i'm pushing 50 and heading rapidly downhill. Next time i'll be nearly 70!!!!!! Mmmm, I guess that means I'll be dribbling my demented head off in some rat infested council couldn't care less about those effing baby boomers, that'll teach 'em to protest about the H bomb and the miners' strike, community home. |
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Post by medibot on Feb 11, 2008 2:19:03 GMT
Hang on...weren't you the one, dear Medi, who was deriding England's kicking tactics under a certain Mr Wilkinson? We score tries as well. Funny little things those. In fact, Hook scores tries as well, he got a lovely one against the Scots yesterday as well as the usual points off the boot. Port Talbot's finest son has many talents (an assist against England after a joyous run too)  My point, as i've said a few times before, is that tries are what make rugby exciting and interesting. Dull, boring, efficient kicking of penalties is not and although i do not ignore the effort required to win penalties and the indisputable talent of the kicker putting them away, it is just a bit dull and shows up the lack of the talent required to score tries against top sides (NZ, S.A., Australia, Ireland, Wales, Scotland (at times!), France and England). I would rather win pretty with running rugby and tries then with kicking, brute force and defensive tactics. Recent history shows you that doesn't win World Cups but i wouldn't swap a World Cup for Wales if it meant we had a team i found boring to watch. I'd still watch and i'd still jump around like a loon when we won but i wouldn't feel like i'd seen a genuine Wales Rugby Union team win. It's not our way, never has been and hopefully never will be. Maybe that seems romanticised and stupid and i know enough Welshmen who would kill for a World Cup however we played to win it but there you go, that's what i like and that's what i want. People remember England winning the World Cup but they only remember Jonny's brilliance, a very together side peaking at the right time and that drop goal. They don't remember great scores or stunning tries, they can't because there weren't any Since i've got on my high horse about attractive rugby and Wales being try scoring gods of the sport i may as well dig out some stats from Wikipedia for those of you who are still awake... In 2003 England scored three tries against what i regard as top sides, one in the final, none in the Semi against France, one against Wales, and one against South Africa in the pool stage. Whereas Wales scored four in one game against New Zealand and three against England. Seven tries in two games against World Class opposition. We may have been knocked out but my word it was exciting ;D I still vividly recall thinking we might get something out of the All Blacks when Shane Williams charged over the line to put us ahead by four points (made six by the conversion) and Charvis piling over in less elegant style against England. That's a game i am still mentally scarred over courtesy of Stephen Jones shanking a two conversions an a penalty wide of the posts at vital times  Even in 2007 when England made the final, a solitary Josh Lewsey try against France was all they managed in three games against top sides (the other two tryless games were both against S.A.) and yet, despite Wales self destructing against Fiji (A game we'd have won without Stephen Jones fluffing his kicking, only Wales can score five bloody tries and still lose...) we still got two tries against Australia in our sole game against top opposition. To me it is both more exciting and shows more skill and talent than simply utilising a superhuman kicker like Wilkinson or Jenkins. And if you dare mention Tooting in your riposte, Raeburn, you'll be in for a slap ;D |
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 11, 2008 9:08:59 GMT
A reasoned and well-argued post from Medibot about why he prefers Welsh rugby to English? Surely not.
Give that man a slice of pie!
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Post by ambersalamander on Feb 11, 2008 9:09:59 GMT
PS. I'm avoiding Tooting today. I have the week off work to write my essay, so I can't comment on how it is today  OOPS. I'm not Raeburn, am I... |
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Post by ojiveojive on Feb 11, 2008 15:12:15 GMT
We score tries as well. Funny little things those. In fact, Hook scores tries as well, he got a lovely one against the Scots yesterday as well as the usual points off the boot. Port Talbot's finest son has many talents (an assist against England after a joyous run too) My point, as i've said a few times before, is that tries are what make rugby exciting and interesting. Dull, boring, efficient kicking of penalties is not and although i do not ignore the effort required to win penalties and the indisputable talent of the kicker putting them away, it is just a bit dull and shows up the lack of the talent required to score tries against top sides (NZ, S.A., Australia, Ireland, Wales, Scotland (at times!), France and England). I would rather win pretty with running rugby and tries then with kicking, brute force and defensive tactics. Recent history shows you that doesn't win World Cups but i wouldn't swap a World Cup for Wales if it meant we had a team i found boring to watch. I'd still watch and i'd still jump around like a loon when we won but i wouldn't feel like i'd seen a genuine Wales Rugby Union team win. It's not our way, never has been and hopefully never will be. Maybe that seems romanticised and stupid and i know enough Welshmen who would kill for a World Cup however we played to win it but there you go, that's what i like and that's what i want. People remember England winning the World Cup but they only remember Jonny's brilliance, a very together side peaking at the right time and that drop goal. They don't remember great scores or stunning tries, they can't because there weren't any Since i've got on my high horse about attractive rugby and Wales being try scoring gods of the sport i may as well dig out some stats from Wikipedia for those of you who are still awake... In 2003 England scored three tries against what i regard as top sides, one in the final, none in the Semi against France, one against Wales, and one against South Africa in the pool stage. Whereas Wales scored four in one game against New Zealand and three against England. Seven tries in two games against World Class opposition. We may have been knocked out but my word it was exciting ;D I still vividly recall thinking we might get something out of the All Blacks when Shane Williams charged over the line to put us ahead by four points (made six by the conversion) and Charvis piling over in less elegant style against England. That's a game i am still mentally scarred over courtesy of Stephen Jones shanking a two conversions an a penalty wide of the posts at vital times Even in 2007 when England made the final, a solitary Josh Lewsey try against France was all they managed in three games against top sides (the other two tryless games were both against S.A.) and yet, despite Wales self destructing against Fiji (A game we'd have won without Stephen Jones fluffing his kicking, only Wales can score five bloody tries and still lose...) we still got two tries against Australia in our sole game against top opposition. To me it is both more exciting and shows more skill and talent than simply utilising a superhuman kicker like Wilkinson or Jenkins. And if you dare mention Tooting in your riposte, Raeburn, you'll be in for a slap ;D oi,ju omnjuihy k nmj nmbmjklnmjhbvxfcd gbvnhjbhjnj zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Sorry, I know it's awfully rude of me, but I, yawn, yawn, fell asleep and my head fell onto the keyboard . |
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Post by bh on Feb 11, 2008 15:50:31 GMT
Er don't know much about rugby, I'm no Welsh, but surely, rugby is having the ball in your hands and running with it, football is kicking it? Sorry to be simplistic, but they are both fairly (don't know the rules of rugby) games. Tootin'? |
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Feb 11, 2008 18:33:36 GMT
Loads and loads and loads and loads and loadsand loads and loads There you go, Martello, just watch that float bobbing on water. NOW! See it go down? Feel the tension on that rod! WOW! He's taken it, hook, line and sinker! GOTTIM! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL him in! ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry i just LOOOVE toys that don't need batteries! |
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Post by medibot on Feb 12, 2008 0:15:55 GMT
meh, i don't care, this isn't the conf national forum, so if you go fishing, expect a bite, it's called debate  As you may have gathered i simply took advantage of the opportunity to vent my thoughts on all the crap about England Rugby and Wilkinson i have to put up with every time people decide to take an interest in the game (funny how no f**k*r wants to talk rugby now) and since i don't have a club side Wales is where all the passion goes |
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