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Post by Giggy of Telford on Jan 29, 2007 18:38:21 GMT
Fair enough, I'll admit my argument is flawed.
I never did say however that there weren't committed Premiership fans, I just said the proportions were less. This doesn't bother me however as it's a fair enough passtime and interest, just not my cup of tea.
What bothers me are people who rubbish a team below them in the league system and see nothing beyond the Man u v Chelsea match as worthwhile football. These people do exist and annoy me greatly.
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Post by ambersalamander on Jan 29, 2007 20:08:31 GMT
I can't argue with that
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Post by DJhinckley on Jan 29, 2007 20:38:20 GMT
If it helps I will define what I believe a fan to be, obviously your opinion may well differ but as with all things it is all about opinions. A fan is used to describe the same ... ...so the final score was Shrewsbury 12-0 Arsenal" leading to the presenter pulling down their Arsenal posters and putting up a Chelsea poster. and if nothing else it goes to prove that opinions are indeed not facts. There are no facts to prove or disprove the 'real fan' theory, merely conjecture and opinion. The question you should be all asking is why are non league fans so desperate to be regarded as 'real fans', why can't we just get on with supporting whoever our team is and not give a f*ck when a fan of Prem Side A take the p*ss. I don't care, why should I? You say you get annoyed when 'non real fans' of Prem clubs rip into your non league team. So what, tell em to f*ck off and go and watch the footy, not sit in your bedroom for 3 days coming up with a theory as to why you're better than they are. They're not bothered. Nobody's bothered. It means nothing because the 'real fan' argument is only relevant to those that want to be regarded as 'real fans'. What I can't understand is why does the non league fan try to distance themselves from all aspects of the Prem side of the game but then spend time creating a theory why they are better than Prem fans who don't go to games. Completely pointless. Hence you get a piece of film romanticising Non league football, telling non league fans who already consider themselves better than Prem fans, that they are indeed better fans. Ultimate insular propaganda, and sure to be a 'hit' on you tube. (Do they still pay for popular videos?) Non league fans are nothing special, just like everyone else, just accept it and stop trying to think up some justifyable reasons for your own stance - you don't need to.
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Post by malxscfc on Jan 30, 2007 16:49:09 GMT
For precisely so many of the reasons you've outlined above, DJH, I feel I have no reason to answer you!
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Post by DJhinckley on Jan 30, 2007 17:17:19 GMT
you feel you have no reason to answer me yet you still replied with an easy/sit on the fence/cop out/make no real statement/answer*.
*delete as appropriate
if you've got something to say, say it, don't hide behind one line of sarcasm. If you think I'm wrong, prove me wrong, don't worry about trying to be humourous this is a discussion board not an audition for new faces** either discuss it or don't.
(**old persons reference, ask your mums)
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Post by malxscfc on Jan 31, 2007 0:57:53 GMT
either discuss it or don't. Okay then.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Feb 3, 2007 6:31:11 GMT
What makes me sadly shake my head at all this is the "snobbery" that seems to creep into it. For many years at school I suffered both physically (games of "Bash the Stafford Rangers Fan - gets a tad tedious when you're the only one) and later at work mentally (non-stop jibes such as "subbuteo", etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseam) from a legion of Dogheads who melted away when they dropped down the divisions only to reappear when the Golden Tit arrived. The temptation is to kick back hard at them and so all this has just been a rehash of the childish stuff I've experienced for the last 40 years. They tell us we don't support real teams so we tell them they aren't real fans. Ho-hum. IMHO it stretches things a bit for us to claim that video as our own, though. Northern Ireland is a small footballing nation, beleaguered by FIFA who want to take away it's international status and lump it in to a "Team GB". Every week the ferries are full of people going out of Northern Ireland to Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester to watch English Premiership. Maybe if a fewer had gone to watch Glasgow Celtic and stayed home then Belfast Celtic would still be alive today. As someone with a foot in both camps (Man City since 1968, Stafford Rangers since 1971) I've become used to being like a civilian in a war- ie someone shot at by both sides. None of this stuff is new. Next time you get harangued by someone from the "other side" don't waste your time coming up with theories about this and that. Don't get down on the nursery floor with them. Just accept that he/she is just an ignorant monkey who doesn't know any better and leave them to their blissful ignorance.
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Post by coops on Feb 3, 2007 11:04:59 GMT
As usual the Sultan speaks wise words!
My son has taken all the jibes from the Boggie and Doghead fans around here and still wears his Tamworth shirt with pride, his one concession to those that insisted he should also support a big club was to become a part time Reading fan!
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