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Post by medibot on Oct 26, 2009 7:53:24 GMT
As old Suttonian i'm pleased that the rival Grammar school's name is filling in so well for naughty words!
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Post by thevicar on Oct 26, 2009 9:37:15 GMT
Your massive insecurity complex, caused by going to one of the lesser schools of the borough, is noted. Those of us who attended a fine and ancient institution would note that the name is Wilson's (being rooted in the school of the Rev. John Wilson). Ignorant arriviste
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 26, 2009 13:11:25 GMT
see you next tuesday
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 26, 2009 13:11:57 GMT
Oh yes! ;D
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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Oct 26, 2009 17:43:46 GMT
I don't think that we CHOSE the replacement word?? We can add to them; and did have a little fun at the expense of our Carshalton brethren at one point... Amber?!
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Post by DazaB_WCFC on Oct 26, 2009 18:37:00 GMT
ow about replacing "Nick Griffin" with "see you next tuesday"
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 26, 2009 19:14:26 GMT
I did add "see you next tuesday" but I'd forgotten about it!
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Post by loy PRA on Oct 26, 2009 19:44:33 GMT
I agree with you both, but let's not forget that Griffin is so well media-trained and practised at spinning his political views into something much more palatable, he may prove to be an exceptionally slippery one. It'll be interesting to watch. Shame I'll miss it. Bizarre statement. Griffin appears as well versed in Public Relations as he is in Race Relations. I thought the programme was ponderously focused on the BNPs leigitimacy rather than an real issues, such as; the fragile labour market, the ever increasing inequality of wealth in the country, the economy, child and senior poverty, the European Union, poor social mobility etc. To put it plainly, Griffin was democratically elected therefore he and his party is legitimate. It is my view what he was elected because the white majority of working class people in his consistuency (and nationally, given the BNPs growth) feel marginalised by the labour market and are aggrieved about the poor administration of immigration. Two very pertinent issues which the British National Party has devoted a strong amount of focus too, which has won voters. This paper thin veneer would've been demolished had someone tried to engage Griffin in a discussion about real problems i.e when a man asked how exactly he would sidestep the European Union's influence on Britain given 80% of our trade is done with them. Dimbleby blithely brushed the question off, preferring verbatim to discourse, probably at the wish of BBC's ratings hungry execs. That, coupled with the lopsided line up of the uncharismatic Straw, Chris Huhne - avowed liberal with around 7 properties hardly doing his bit for the country, a Tory Baroness of ethnic descent (who gave a very good account of herself in my opinion), and a black American Museum curator who had absolutely no ability to follow the conversation. However despite Griffin's claims of being a Martyr he had his own supporters in the crowd and was given his chance to speak without being interrupted and came across as out of his depth and a rather comical Starresque conservative, trying to defend views that were best consigned to History. The current state of Politics in the UK seriously worries me at the minute. The growth of the centre-right and far right coule have massive implications on the social issues that have been given lip service for the past 30 years and however intelligent Gordon Brown may be, he's currently being mauled for his poor execution of his policy by the abhorrent rottweilers like Cameron and Osborne - both of whome can show about as much common touch with the working man and woman as Lord Snooty.
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 26, 2009 20:03:29 GMT
It may seem a bizarre statement now we've all seen him thingy up, but it wasn't at the time believe me!
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Oct 30, 2009 7:02:30 GMT
Going back to the original more serious topic, i had relented and meant to watch but in the end had to go out to pick Smalldude up from Brum and couldn't be arsed to tape it.
I had moved away from Question Time anyway because i felt that it had been turning into " Jerry Springer lite" and what ISIHAC and Loy wrote confirmed this, especially Loy's report on how the EU question was "blithely brushed aside."
Movements such as the BNP will always do better in the hard times as groups will instinctively gravitate towards their own. Everybody feels discriminated against in some way or other either justifiably or not. Since being made redundant back in July, Mrs Sultan who has full ACCA accountancy and ATT tax qualifications currently cannot past the interview stage for another job. On several occaisions we have noticed that some of those companies have re-advertised the post with slightly different requirements. She's also suddenly been finding herself overlooked, (accidently of course) in shop queues. When things happen on a regular basis, one has to wonder if it has anything to do with being ethnic Chinese and the natural instinct of some white people to put other white people first? My son used to get called P*** at school after his Mom picked him up although he actually looks white!
Whites meanwhile feel that THEY'RE being unfairly treated by the system. The likes of the BNP will always do well when the Labour Party are doing poorly (vide NF in late 70's / early 80's). New Labour especially went for the Daily Mail vote. They foisted the likes of Mandelson and Hopeless Hatty onto working class constituencies safe in the knowledge that their traditional poorer, white base who would never vote Conservative in a million years had nowhwere else to go.
Now they do.
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Oct 30, 2009 7:08:39 GMT
Re word replacement, we had fun with that one on the old Stafford board, where "Hednesford" came out of the swear filter as "small town in cannock" ;D
A note of caution, however, i heard of a Christian website in the United States that replaced the word "gay" with "homosexual" as the editors believed that gay people should be forced to face up to the reality of what they really are, rather than being allowed to hide behind a euphamism.
All went swimmingly until sprinter Tyson Gay won the US 100 metres trial for the athletics world championship. The site's filters pored over the daily newsfeed and came up with the headline "HOMOSEXUAL WINS WORLD 100 METRES TRIAL"
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 30, 2009 21:01:17 GMT
;D that's brilliant!
On a more serious note, Sultan, I am sorry to hear that your family has suffered racial discrimination. There is no place for that, not anywhere.
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Post by DazaB_WCFC on Oct 31, 2009 0:50:09 GMT
A note of caution, however, i heard of a Christian website in the United States that replaced the word "gay" with "homosexual" as the editors believed that gay people should be forced to face up to the reality of what they really are, rather than being allowed to hide behind a euphamism. On the equality diversity monitoring form at work it asked if we would describe ourselves as Hetrosexual, Bisexual, Gay or Lesbian. I argued that surely only three boxes were needed but was told that some gay people don't like being refered to as Homosexual - apparantly!
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Post by loy PRA on Oct 31, 2009 2:13:23 GMT
I strongly disagree about the last statement from SofC. I currently reside in the strongest Labour seat in the country, and essentially make up the hallmarks of a white heterosexual working class young man who has experienced the petty humiliation the dole queue offers. However my ethics and principles have endured regardless of what candidacy stands at national or local level of government I am fully aware that today's Gateshead is made up of straight white people, black people, asian people, immigrants, displaced Zimbabweans, people below the poverty barrier, middle class people, people suffering from HIV, unemployed people, Homosexual people, biracial people, bisexual people, people with criminal records, phyiscally and mentally impaired people and any other spectrum which my fellow Gatesiders choose to identify with - the British National Party, no matter how marginalised I will feel as a constituent and as a person will ever be a consideration for me either as a protest vote or an endorsement of their attitudes and values. My family is mixed race and I have never identified myself as an indigenous person of this country, despite being proudly British.
My concern does not lie with the endless permeations of self identity, it lies with what will put food on the table in Tyneside in 2020, something we can all appreciate, as yet another factory closes and how the Labour Market in the North East becomes that bit more socially immobile. The current microcosm of the North East regards the Northern Rock question - Gordon Brown would prefer the Rock be retained under part-state ownership and transformed into a mutual society, dispensing cheap mortgages to areas worst hit by the sub prime mortgage crisis or 'credit crunch', the majority of his MPs and needless to the say the Treasury would like the Rock sold off at a profit, to refund and empower the tax payer. Both of these are fully understandable, but if Britain is to have any place on the World Stage in the future, will not as some sort of War-Mongering colonial cliche, it will be as a socially mobile society that can provide for the diversity of it's people.
Coincidentally on the way to work last Sunday I had a premonition of Gordon Brown's mutual idea for the Rock - Albeit on a much grandeur scale, with the Rock providing business loans, a co-operative outlook, and an ethical approach to it's custom as well as injecting the profits into creating jobs in the most disaffected areas of the North but I have been known for my left of centre views on occasion and if we are to take baby steps out of the recession than I approve of the mutual society before the refund of the taxpayer ten times out of time. Whilst at work during a discussion about our current situation I was openly ridiculed about my statement that the North East (and indeed other parts of the UK) had been trapped in a recession for nigh on 30 years regardless of the current plight, which seems to have attracted such considerable attention due to the loss of jobs in the City, previously regarded as safe.
At the minute I feel another term of the Labour government will go far into realising the needs of the most deprived areas of society, I personally feel under no circumstances could I identify with a bunch of public schooled toffs who grandoise lifestyle of cocaine and prostitutes go against the solid morality I appreciate in day to day society.
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Post by robotsmfc on Oct 31, 2009 14:32:08 GMT
I strongly disagree about the last statement from SofC. I currently reside in the strongest Labour seat in the country, and essentially make up the hallmarks of a white heterosexual working class young man who has experienced the petty humiliation the dole queue offers. However my ethics and principles have endured regardless of what candidacy stands at national or local level of government I am fully aware that today's Gateshead is made up of straight white people, black people, asian people, immigrants, displaced Zimbabweans, people below the poverty barrier, middle class people, people suffering from HIV, unemployed people, Homosexual people, biracial people, bisexual people, people with criminal records, phyiscally and mentally impaired people and any other spectrum which my fellow Gatesiders choose to identify with - the British National Party, no matter how marginalised I will feel as a constituent and as a person will ever be a consideration for me either as a protest vote or an endorsement of their attitudes and values. My family is mixed race and I have never identified myself as an indigenous person of this country, despite being proudly British. While this is all very accurate for you (and from my experience the attitudes of people in the North-East in general) it doesn't mean to say that Sultan was wrong in what he said. A lot of working class people do turn to the BNP out of frustration with mainstream politics; I've seen it in action in Solihull and what tends to happen is that the BNP sneak a seat out of nowhere because Labour are completely disorganised at a grassroots level and their councillors are often very complacent. The next year their vote collapses because people feel that they've proven their point, and find that they have a throughly incompetent BNP councillor who they may not have really agreed with in the first place.
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