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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Jan 16, 2010 16:03:51 GMT
Curious just how many of the most outspoken opponents of the British way, as it were are actually British by birth - Anjem Choudary is as British as you or I Sulty! I do refuse to believe that he is unable to obtain employment - and he is clearly not unfit to seek employment either given his activities. If he is currently able to practice law, then be should be taking steps to obtain work somewhere. I pity his local jobcentre though. Who in their right mind would relish dealing with that pompous tw@t regularly. If all of the options open to jobcentre staff were used against him, he would simply cry foul or allege discrimination. Personally, I would issue all JSA Stage Three (New Deal) Advisers a tazer, with discretion to use it. ;-)
And dudes; one little correction. Working Age Benefits are treated as taxable income; they are not taxed at source. Benefits received during a tax year count towards the individual's personal allowance or are added to current P45 income. Net result is, if anything, for someone who has had a combination of earnings and JSA over the course of a year, they are likely to receive a rebate. If you spend an entire year as a single person on JSA, your income will not exceed the individual personal allowance! Fecked if I know how people actually manage to survive on an income barely in excess of £3k - but they do!
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Post by loy PRA on Jan 16, 2010 17:19:33 GMT
Curious just how many of the most outspoken opponents of the British way, as it were are actually British by birth - Anjem Choudary is as British as you or I Sulty! I believe I already made that point if you refer to my previous post. I do refuse to believe that he is unable to obtain employment - and he is clearly not unfit to seek employment either given his activities. If he is currently able to practice law, then be should be taking steps to obtain work somewhere. Who in their right mind would employ him? I pity his local jobcentre though. Who in their right mind would relish dealing with that pompous tw@t regularly. If all of the options open to jobcentre staff were used against him, he would simply cry foul or allege discrimination. Personally, I would issue all JSA Stage Three (New Deal) Advisers a tazer, with discretion to use it. ;-) I don't pity them. He should've been treated for Refusal of Employment, Actively Seeking Employment and Availability for Employment under the Social Security Act. A sixth month sanction would be broadly welcomed as there was bound to have been a litany of jobs he could've applied for whilst marching about the shop. Personally I would sack all the New Deal Advisers, tazer them, then privatise their duties. But that's just me. His Jobcentre is probably full of the coasters and pension accumulators that the DWP has become absoluted riddled with since the destruction of BA and the Employment Service. And dudes; one little correction. Working Age Benefits are treated as taxable income; they are not taxed at source. Benefits received during a tax year count towards the individual's personal allowance or are added to current P45 income. Net result is, if anything, for someone who has had a combination of earnings and JSA over the course of a year, they are likely to receive a rebate. If you spend an entire year as a single person on JSA, your income will not exceed the individual personal allowance! Fecked if I know how people actually manage to survive on an income barely in excess of £3k - but they do! Not stricly true. The availability of permitted work under 16 hrs a week plus other qualifying benefits for tax could well take you over the personal allowance threshold of £6,035 and thusly have to pay tax - I certainly did in the dim and dark days when I was signing on. The flaw of the compliance with system has, and always will be, declaration of savings. I met one guy in australia who was signing on despite having 9k redunancy in a savings account. Luckily, I shopped him. Just because I was on holidays doesn't mean I leave the Queen's Oath at Heathrow. Very disappointed about your screenname btw. |
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Post by Sultan of Cannock- SRFC on Jan 16, 2010 20:01:50 GMT
Hain did look uncomfy with the topic of war, however I must disagree with your opinion that the British public did not support the war in Afghanistan. It received masses of public support post 9/11, and has only really went pear shaped over the last few years as it seems it may be geographically and ideologically to turn a country that has been at war for most of the past 1000 years into a Presidential democracy. My apologies- wrong war! Because i didn't actually watch the programme and you said he was getting a mauling i'd jumped to the conclusion that they were talking about Iraq because the whitewash.. errr.. inquiry is going on. I can't see why he feels that way. What makes him able to say that his benefits should be stopped? Can we go as far as stopping the benefit of people with unpalatable political and religious beliefs like Scientologists and fascists? I can for two reasons: 1) because he is an ignorant monkey who doesn't know any better 2) it seems hypocritical that someone who hates our system so much takes so much advantage of our generally tolerant society. The are few countries that give people as much lattitude as we do. you don't have to put up with him at all. Just don't listen to him. He receives practically no attention. He has an opinion, a daft one but one that society accepts given the fact we live in a multiparliamentary democracy. People thought that about a certain 5 foot tall, obviously mad, one-bollocked Austrian-born German army corporal after the Great War. My concern is that Griffin-style idiots will use this individual as an excuse to lay into ordinary, hard-working law abiding non-white British citizens thus provoking the more hot-headed in their communities to strike back. The biggest of fires often start with the smallest of sparks. |
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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Jan 16, 2010 20:02:24 GMT
Edited; Sulty replied as I was typing. I was responding to Loy - not SoC...
I am choosing my words with extreme care here because, regardless of how you interpret this, I have NO grudge or argument with any one individual here. And were it possible to conduct this conversation in private; I would do so.
My choice of screen-name reflects a concern; voiced by others, over a perceived need in one quarter to refrain from registration and perpetuate a disagreement which should have been buried years ago. YOU work it out. I really don't appreciate the inference; therefore the Terrace now has a police force.
On a separate matter, I have worked within what is now Jobcentre Plus for 25 years, Loy! Your description of those I work with is not something I recognise, your use of the labour market regulations WOULD be seen as punitive and, believe me, the race card is one customers are only too happy to play when it suits them! And you are also confused with your interpretation of the part time earnings regulations. Any requirement to pay tax would result from the amount earned from remunerative work - not from the benefit in payment. As one increases, so the other decreases.
You may be cheered to note that I agree wholeheartedly on the issue of savings! Too much is taken on trust - and that is something which will get worse.
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Post by loy PRA on Jan 16, 2010 22:05:55 GMT
My choice of screen-name reflects a concern; voiced by others, over a perceived need in one quarter to refrain from registration and perpetuate a disagreement which should have been buried years ago. YOU work it out. I really don't appreciate the inference; therefore the Terrace now has a police force. My word, that's not very friendly is it?  I have no problem with registering, infact you check the members list I am indeed registered. However you offer the availability of being a guest which I take. I'm not 'perpetuating a disagreement', if you're trying to imply I'm trying to hang on to what happened over Pyramid Portal just say so. I'm not, as it happens; I'm here to debate football which I've successfully done (see most of my football themed threads have the little folder on fire on them owing to their popularity.) Infact I haven't mentioned PP once. Also the actually choice of PRA Police is poor as it makes you seem as if you've joined something called the PRA Police force which of course doesn't exist. I mostly poke fun at the earnestness of which you take this forum/tinpot business and if you're asking me not to do that then I'm not going to, friend ;D By the way was that really meant to be inference or inter ference?  YOU work it out sounds a bit threatening and I like to heed previous calls from the other administrator about keeping things friendly and not starting any rows. Anyway apologies to anyone who's had to sit and waste near a minute of their life on that when they know nothing of the circumstances. It really wasn't my intention to ever address it again  On a separate matter, I have worked within what is now Jobcentre Plus for 25 years, Loy! Your description of those I work with is not something I recognise, your use of the labour market regulations WOULD be seen as punitive and, believe me, the race card is one customers are only too happy to play when it suits them! And you are also confused with your interpretation of the part time earnings regulations. Any requirement to pay tax would result from the amount earned from remunerative work - not from the benefit in payment. As one increases, so the other decreases. I'm aware of the part time earnings regulations, but if they were to get New Deal renumeration, a back to work grant or some other type of incentive it could indeed by taxed. I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you about the 'race card' being used as my LEA contained an extremely diverse population and despite the fact I produced the highest amount of ASEs probably ever recorded in the timescale no one ever once told me I was a racist. One bloke did threaten to slit me throat though. Welfare reform is probably a chief concern on how I will vote come 2010 GE, New Deal and Jobcentre plus are creations of horrible Blue Sky thinking from Economists and Accountants like Richard Layard who have never been on the dole, will never go on the dole, and may never even go inside a JCP+, the staff generally are terrible (and seriously 25 years or not I can say this definitively. I've worked in all three streams of business and they're awful which is why social mobility has markedly decreased under New Labour) and the sooner a lot of EO band work is outsourced the better. In the future the civil service will need to smaller, specialised, mobile, and pay extreme measure to fraud and error across benefits and taxation. There is no second option. I am more than happy to discuss this further as it's something I don't think can be talked about enough and I like to hear fellow civil servants views on them You may be cheered to note that I agree wholeheartedly on the issue of savings! Too much is taken on trust - and that is something which will get worse. I am cheered to note hidden economy is a recognised problem |
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Post by loy PRA on Jan 16, 2010 22:16:46 GMT
My apologies- wrong war! Because i didn't actually watch the programme and you said he was getting a mauling i'd jumped to the conclusion that they were talking about Iraq because the whitewash.. errr.. inquiry is going on. That's alreet.  [quote author=sultan board=randomchitchat thread=1324 post=25728 time=1263672110I can for two reasons: 1) because he is an ignorant monkey who doesn't know any better 2) it seems hypocritical that someone who hates our system so much takes so much advantage of our generally tolerant society. The are few countries that give people as much lattitude as we do. second point taken but i can't accept the first one. There's plenty of them on the dole and in work, we can't go around removing their tax credits or benefits! [quote author=sultan board=randomchitchat thread=1324 post=25728 time=1263672110People thought that about a certain 5 foot tall, obviously mad, one-bollocked Austrian-born German army corporal after the Great War. My concern is that Griffin-style idiots will use this individual as an excuse to lay into ordinary, hard-working law abiding non-white British citizens thus provoking the more hot-headed in their communities to strike back. The biggest of fires often start with the smallest of sparks.[/quote] Slightly different circumstances, if I must opine. |
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I have no problem with registering, infact you check the members list I am indeed registered. However you offer the availability of being a guest which I take. I'm not 'perpetuating a disagreement', if you're trying to imply I'm trying to hang on to what happened over Pyramid Portal just say so. I'm not, as it happens; I'm here to debate football which I've successfully done (see most of my football themed threads have the little folder on fire on them owing to their popularity.) Infact I haven't mentioned PP once. Also the actually choice of PRA Police is poor as it makes you seem as if you've joined something called the PRA Police force which of course doesn't exist. I mostly poke fun at the earnestness of which you take this forum/tinpot business and if you're asking me not to do that then I'm not going to, friend ;D
YOU work it out sounds a bit threatening and I like to heed previous calls from the other administrator about keeping things friendly and not starting any rows.
