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Post by pies on Apr 20, 2006 14:58:05 GMT
Altrincham were today hit with an 18 (that's right, eighteen) point deduction for playing a player who they signed from Accrington Stanley, who didn't have 'internation' clearence to play in England.
What a joke the Conference is!
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Post by pies on Apr 20, 2006 15:31:58 GMT
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Post by frankiegth on Apr 20, 2006 17:04:26 GMT
Please sign the petition. The punishment on this occasion does not fit the crime.
The Conference north forum has gone mad with posts over this injustice.
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Post by DazaB_WCFC on Apr 20, 2006 17:26:55 GMT
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FARCE
It wasnt even their fault from what i know
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Post by J Esaj PRA on Apr 20, 2006 17:31:31 GMT
Sorry, but on this occasion the punishment fits the crime exactly. Rules are rules. You wanna play by 'em, you gotta live by 'em.
It is very harsh and the Conference is a complete joke, but I've been trying to tell people this for three seasons! It is not the great place some of you seem to think it is. They have even poisoned the feeder leagues too.
Next season I'm going to be ground hopping more in an attempt to re-ignite some sort of passion for the game I've spent 20-odd years watching. I'm not that hopeful of success though, which will be a shame as the people are great - it's just the poor quality product that's at fault.
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Post by DazaB_WCFC on Apr 20, 2006 17:39:43 GMT
Disagree there,
they sign a player from another ENGLISH club in good faith and are punished beacause he was not cleared by the previous club........
If you're in the are - come to Coventry Copsewood!!
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Post by frankiegth on Apr 20, 2006 17:59:31 GMT
So a player plays in Iceland, signs for Accy who then pass him on to Alty who foolishly play him in the first team on several occasions.
That deserves relegation does it? Oh and have a £1,000 fine too.
Should stop you doing that again you silly sods.
I know rules are rules but, surely Robinson is not that good he's deemed to be capable of keeping a team single handedly in the conference. Because that (in effect) is what the judgement is saying.
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Post by coops on Apr 20, 2006 18:01:19 GMT
Disagree there, they sign a player from another ENGLISH club in good faith and are punished beacause he was not cleared by the previous club........ If you're in the are - come to Coventry Copsewood!! Been there! Been to far worse places. As for Alty, sorry but ignorance is no excuse, the Conference set the rules and the precedents were all there, it's harsh, it's bloody unfair but it's the rules. Hmm...I've just realised that with me and Esaj posting similar thoughts it looks like we're doing some serious straw clutching!
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Post by DazaB_WCFC on Apr 20, 2006 18:48:12 GMT
Didnt mean it as a bad thing - I like Allard Way!!!
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Post by J Esaj PRA on Apr 20, 2006 19:16:27 GMT
they sign a player from another ENGLISH club in good faith and are punished beacause he was not cleared by the previous club........ We [TFC] paid the ROYAL MAIL to deliver the necessary paperwork on time, in good faith but still got punished because some lazy fat-arsed postman didn't do his job properly. Conveniently, the Conference's 'experimental' electronic system wasn't working at the time either... Is that fair? So a player plays in Iceland, signs for Accy who then pass him on to Alty who foolishly play him in the first team on several occasions. That deserves relegation does it? Oh and have a £1,000 fine too. No, it doesn't deserve relegation, but it does deserve a points deduction that matches the number they acquired in games where this player featured. It is unfortunate that it puts them in the relegation mire - I'd rather it didn't because it wouldn't make it look like straw clutching by us Tamuff fans! ;D Robinson played against TFC twice, scoring in one of the games. That's a pretty direct impact, giving Alty 4 points and us just one. Without him, it could have been the other way around, so I'd say he's had a pretty big impact on keeping Alty in the Conference (prior to the points deduction). And that's without considering his performance against any other relegation zone teams. It would be quite trivial for clubs to introduce standardised 'signing procedures' to ensure this doesn't happen. Alty didn't quite do enough checking, left themselves open to a technical breach of the Conference rules and now need to pay the price. Show me a fairer solution that applies the rules as they have been applied against TFC, Burton and Leigh RMI. Daza - I don't get the Coventry Copsewood bit...
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Post by frankiegth on Apr 20, 2006 19:32:41 GMT
Ahhhh!!! all becomes clear.
What goes around comes around. I just hope one day your team too may be on the end of a "just" but totally unreasonable punishment.
BTW Alty are not my team.
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Post by Col ISIHAC. on Apr 20, 2006 19:36:38 GMT
So. Given that the actual crime relates to lack international clearance for playing in the UK - what level of punishment should be applied to the team that, in theory, should have ensured this clearance when he arrived in the UK in the first place? And, given that Accy have been crowned Conference Champs, do they get dumped in the playoffs instead now? Regardless of the players actual influence during the season, and sorry guys, but straw clutching it looks like as regards the 4 points Alty got against you the actual offence relates also to Accrington - it's just that their punishment has yet to be made public! What a bloody mess.
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Post by coops on Apr 20, 2006 19:58:01 GMT
What goes around comes around. I just hope one day your team too may be on the end of a "just" but totally unreasonable punishment. We were, t'was only three points but it could have had the same consequences if we hadn't rallied towards the end of the season. It could happen to anyone I agree, but then again after this then any club signing any player will surely check that he is totally kosher before playing him. If another club does get caught out after this then they only have themselves to blame, as do Alty in this instance. I am happy to swim against the tide on this one, I have read all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on various forums and I do genuinely feel sorry for Alty and their fans, but they broke the rules and I'm afraid that ignorance is not a defence.
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Post by J Esaj PRA on Apr 20, 2006 20:28:27 GMT
Ahhhh!!! all becomes clear. Clearly it hasn't... As I (and now Coops) have already pointed out, we've already been done. And I'd suggest we were shafted in a worse way. All we got after the game in question was a claim from the Conference that the post hadn't arrived on time! How do we know the letter wasn't just left sitting on the Conf HQ desk?! All of our documents were in perfect order. In Alty's case they screwed up the paperwork. Either they didn't check about international clearance, or perhaps were lied to. (If the latter, they have a legal case to pursue with the player...) I'll say it again - give us a better solution. (BTW, I can spot a Hucknall fan a mile off, yoooooth. ) BTW, Accrington are not involved in this at all, as they didn't sign the player. He has never been part of their squad. He was briefly registered for their reserves, who might have had a problem had they not folded. If your club doesn't check international clearance as a routine part of signing a player, you are just another accident waiting to happen. It's on the form. It is required. Salisbury fans: Take note of the garbage league you've 'won' promotion to. First thing you'll need is a secretary who loves endless paperwork, closely followed by a good team of no win, no fee lawyers! ;D
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Post by roofless on Apr 20, 2006 21:28:47 GMT
I don't think it is straw clutching from Tamworth fans... yes I want to stay in this league, and yes if it happens that we finish 3rd from bottom because of this I will be relieved, but I won't be happy. It is solely based on the fact that other teams in the conference have done similar things (not just us) and have been punished. I think you'll notice that we all agree that it's harsh, and very unfair that if the appeal doesn't work they will effectively get relegated over this. But at the end of the day rules are rules, and teams in the conference should by now know how harsh the conference is and check all the paper work, this isn't the first tie this has happened in this league, so why make an exception on this occasion?
Maybe the rules should get changed or whatever, don't really care, but the rules at the start of the season are the rules at the end of it (ie last year in the "should Everton be thrown out of the Champion's League" arguent... appreciate they ight as well have been but whatever.)
And I reckon Accy will probably end up with a fine over this as well, but no points deduction as he never appeared in any league matches for him... maybe they'll lose points in the reserve league!!
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