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Post by ambersalamander on Sept 11, 2007 15:30:32 GMT
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by ojiveojive on Sept 11, 2007 16:52:46 GMT
Nowhere did I infer that the death of one's child 'Serves them right', nothing could be worse than the loss of a child, I was very close to that situation for six weeks and believe me it is a desperate situation. Yes, I hold them responsible for events that occured because the children were left alone: there could have been a fire, they could have woken up, got out of bed, tripped over half asleep in unfamiliar surroundings and cracked their heads open. Anything could have happened.
DNA can be removed, look at the case of Stuart Lubbock, there appears to be no credible DNA evidence after he spent time in the swinmming pool, even though he was obviously the victim of an extreme sexual assault.
To play Devil's advocate; carrying Madeleine's furry toy around everywhere could be construed as a way of deliberately contaminating the surroundings with her DNA. No one knows, it's all conjecture.
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Post by ifuckinrule on Sept 11, 2007 21:48:26 GMT
and the McCann parents have a whole lifetime of hell and regret as their reward for a 30-minute period of peace and quiet on holidayJesus Christ man, they left their kinds on their own so they could have their 30 minutes of peace and quiet. You know if you have kids then you don't have the right to just forget about them when it suits. i think its very easy to criticise their decision with hindsight but there isnt a single parent that doesnt make a mistake at one time or another. you'd have to be a liar or a stafford season ticket holder (i.e. thick as poo) to deny that. they fucked up and they will know that better than anyone else. they have to live with that f**k up for the rest of their lives. i dont know what i find more upsetting about this whole "maddies mum did it" saga. if she/they actually did it and then covered it up for months makes me feel awful. if she/they didnt do it and had to go thru being accused after having their daughter kidnapped makes me want to cry.
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Post by coops on Sept 11, 2007 22:31:54 GMT
i think its very easy to criticise their decision with hindsight but there isnt a single parent that doesnt make a mistake at one time or another. you'd have to be a liar or a stafford season ticket holder (i.e. thick as poo) to deny that. I have made mistakes in my parenting and I don't deny it, but it is not a "mistake" to leave three children unattended whilst you go to the pub. That, my friend, is neglect, pure and simple. Their defence that "everyone here does it" and that "someone checked them every 20 minutes" (or whatever) just doesn't wash.
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Post by pies on Sept 12, 2007 10:09:14 GMT
IF and it is a big IF, the McCanns are discovered to have some involvment in their Daughters disapperance then i bet all the people who have pledged some form of support, from the people who have made donations to findmaddie sites, to the Premier League, to the Catholic Church are going to feel pretty darn stupid. I do feel think it's wrong to assume that Gerry and Kate McCann had something to do with their Daughters disapperance, but then it also wrong to assume that just because they're a nice middle-class family with good jobs that they didn't. I think the only people who know if they could of done it are the McCanns themselves.
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Post by ambersalamander on Sept 12, 2007 10:52:25 GMT
I think I agree with all of you to some extent. Yes. Parents do all make mistakes. And you wouldn't think something would happen in a situation like that. But no, you should never leave children of that age alone in a building. Alone upstairs while you're downstairs, fine. But in a building with no adults? At that age? No.
And I also agree that we can't make any assumptions whatsoever about who did or didn't do it. The McCanns may be decent, God-fearing people with responsible jobs etc, but surely that's not necessarily a point in their favour. If, for example, they accidentally killed their daughter with sedatives as the rumours suggest, then they would HAVE to cover the whole thing up pretty well, or their careers would be over and their other kids might be taken away from them.
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Post by ojiveojive on Sept 12, 2007 22:37:57 GMT
As an addendum, I have a friend 'in the business' who, from the very beginning of this saga, suggested that he knew of several doctors that had given their young children a sedative in order to have a few hours of freedom and he felt that this might well be one of those cases that could have resulted in a tragic accident. Having been the one that brought this 'rumour' to the fore, please re-read the above paragraph. I am not in any way suggesting that the McCanns had given their children sedatives, I was merely sharing something that was said to me right at the beginning of this case in early May. In fact I was shocked and horrified that any doctor could possibly contemplate sedating their children in order to have a night out.
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Post by ifuckinrule on Sept 13, 2007 16:08:31 GMT
As an addendum, I have a friend 'in the business' who, from the very beginning of this saga, suggested that he knew of several doctors that had given their young children a sedative in order to have a few hours of freedom and he felt that this might well be one of those cases that could have resulted in a tragic accident. Having been the one that brought this 'rumour' to the fore, please re-read the above paragraph. I am not in any way suggesting that the McCanns had given their children sedatives, I was merely sharing something that was said to me right at the beginning of this case in early May. In fact I was shocked and horrified that any doctor could possibly contemplate sedating their children in order to have a night out. wasnt that rumour on the front page of the sun?
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Post by ojiveojive on Sept 14, 2007 8:51:52 GMT
I have no idea what has been on the front page of the Sun as I have avoided buying newspapers, especially tabloids, for over thirty years. My friend mentioned this 'sedative' thing to me in passing back in May and I doubt that the Sun had it on their front page, then. When I said I brought this rumour to the fore, I meant on this forum. For anyone that's about to berate me for not buying newspapers, I also don't watch Big Brother, The Bill, Eastenders, much of ITV, in fact I don't watch a great deal of TV at all. I do subscribe to and get my current affairs information from several magazines: The New Statesman, Resurgence, The Ecologist, Living Earth, Ethical Consumer, Star and Furrow, Organic Life plus I also listen to Radio 4 a lot so I figure I'm as informed as anyone else
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Post by ambersalamander on Sept 14, 2007 11:02:37 GMT
I wonder if that little justification was aimed at you, Malx
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Post by ojiveojive on Sept 14, 2007 14:58:42 GMT
::)It was neither justification (what is there to justify?) nor aimed at anyone in particular, I just get a little cranky sometimes when people misread or misconstrue my simple missives.
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Post by ambersalamander on Sept 14, 2007 15:31:58 GMT
I guessed this; I was only trying to wind Malx up!
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Post by malxscfc on Sept 16, 2007 22:37:24 GMT
I've heard that little rumour too. Malx, I wouldn't suspect for one second that the McCanns killed their daughter deliberately, but it is POSSIBLE that there was some kind of accident. They probably could have covered it up somehow, before the alarm was even raised. As for the DNA- well, reports say it hadn't come off an object but straight from the body. But I'd like to know how they know that. Her famous cuddly toy, for example, is likely to be covered in hairs, skin flakes, saliva, tears and who knows what else. The hire car would presumably have contained her clothes, the ones she'd been wearing while on holiday. These too would be covered in DNA traces. And hair like hers gets everywhere. QED.
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Post by malxscfc on Sept 16, 2007 22:39:50 GMT
Children are a commitment, if you can't absolutely, 100% fulfill that commitment to them then don't have them. Don't want to turn into a Troll, but it sounds like you're advocating eugenics/mandatory abortion for pregnant teenagers, for example?
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Post by ambersalamander on Sept 16, 2007 22:41:38 GMT
Don't you think adoption would be a better option? People who adopt tend to do so because they're 100% committed to having children. You'd hope so, anyway.
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