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Post by malxscfc on Sept 16, 2007 22:52:10 GMT
::)It was neither justification (what is there to justify?) nor aimed at anyone in particular, I just get a little cranky sometimes when people misread or misconstrue my simple missives. "Calpol" tends to be a word of panacea oft uttered by legions of British parents, and has sedative effects certainly. But the mere suggestion that a GP and her Heart Surgeon hubby could over-prescribe a sleeping dose would infer that you either consider the possibility that they did it deliberately, or that they did it deliberately. Or that British Medics are hopelessly incompetent. Shirley?
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Post by malxscfc on Sept 16, 2007 22:55:03 GMT
Don't you think adoption would be a better option? People who adopt tend to do so because they're 100% committed to having children. You'd hope so, anyway. Totally agree. But the inherent and inescapable sense embedded in your argument doesn't stop millions of British incompetents from bringing up the next generation of ASBOs, does it?
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Post by malxscfc on Sept 16, 2007 23:07:16 GMT
I don't read 'Papers much since our local 'Paper round went bust, but have been casting an eye on others peoples' rags recently, as I think this case is (temporarily) in an interesting phase. [Basically, as you know, Detectives' Rule No.1 is that 70+% of murders are committed by close members of the family. In this case, I just get the sense that the Portuguese Police have less training than Eddie The Eagle, and a less-developed imagination than Homer Simpson. ] The other day there was a very good article in the Times, but sadly when it went Online it got re-edited, lost its focus, and ended up as a cornucopia of allsorts. This is it though: www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2449020.eceTo some extent, I think it captures the mood of why we're all still talking about this, at least. From the first moment I heard about the case, I was fascinated, and knew it would run. Likewise the Litvinenko case, and from this week the McLaren spying scandal. Expect more on all of the above....
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Post by coops on Sept 17, 2007 0:30:44 GMT
Children are a commitment, if you can't absolutely, 100% fulfill that commitment to them then don't have them. Don't want to turn into a Troll, but it sounds like you're advocating eugenics/mandatory abortion for pregnant teenagers, for example? Errr....no! And I fail to see how you have drawn that conclusion from what I wrote as well. It was simply a sweeping statement in which I expressed the belief that, in general, people who bring children into The World should be prepared to commit fully to looking after them as the children sure as hell can't look after themselves. As for teenage mothers, well despite the fact that the silly girls couldn't manage to keep their legs shut I reckon that the majority wouldn't dream of leaving their under 3's in an unlocked room while they went on the piss, something the extremely well-educated and undoubtably well-off McCann's (who I am sure planned their family in the way I would hope that a pair of doctors would do) thought was okay to do on a seemingly regular basis.
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Post by ojiveojive on Sept 17, 2007 12:49:02 GMT
::)It was neither justification (what is there to justify?) nor aimed at anyone in particular, I just get a little cranky sometimes when people misread or misconstrue my simple missives. "Calpol" tends to be a word of panacea oft uttered by legions of British parents, and has sedative effects certainly. But the mere suggestion that a GP and her Heart Surgeon hubby could over-prescribe a sleeping dose would infer that you either consider the possibility that they did it deliberately, or that they did it deliberately. Or that British Medics are hopelessly incompetent. Shirley? Go back and re-read the bit that says "I have a friend 'in the business' who, from the very beginning of this saga, suggested that he knew of several doctors that had given their young children a sedative in order to have a few hours of freedom and he felt that this might well be one of those cases that could have resulted in a tragic accident."[/i] Nowhere did I mention Calpol or from my friend's comments that I either inferred or thought the McCanns had done anything. Don't attribute other people's stuff to me, as clear a case of shooting the messenger as I have ever seen
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Post by malxscfc on Oct 3, 2007 9:25:10 GMT
Go back and re-read the bit that says "I have a friend 'in the business' who, from the very beginning of this saga, suggested that he knew of several doctors that had given their young children a sedative in order to have a few hours of freedom and he felt that this might well be one of those cases that could have resulted in a tragic accident." [/i] Nowhere did I mention Calpol or from my friend's comments that I either inferred or thought the McCanns had done anything. Don't attribute other people's stuff to me, as clear a case of shooting the messenger as I have ever seen [/quote]Back in '97, a friend of a friend had access to the medical reports on Dodi and Diana, and there was {allegedly} clear evidence of cocaine in their bodies. This was suppressed by the Press, as you can imagine. How much messenger-shooting would have gone on if the Media was seeming to assassinate the reputation of 'The People's Princess'....? And how else could The Express drag the story out for a decade under such a cloud. [Cocaine use is not the taboo it was then, either.] I think if the McCanns had assumed that their daughter was going to be abducted, they'd have taken slightly more stringent measures of security than making sure she wasn't groggy. I do wonder what the official stats are on children receiving neck injuries from the strap on their cycle helmet, and how many parents wish they hadn't insisted the kid go out with one.... Parents make a million decisions during a child's upbringing, and even some of the best ones will prove to be faulty in hindsight. When I eventually get skin cancer, should I sue Mum & Dad for letting me frolic around naked with French kids in rock pools while a happy, carefree, net-toting toddler?
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Post by ojiveojive on Oct 3, 2007 22:56:17 GMT
My point was: if the dog hadn't stopped to poo, he'd have caught the rabbit. If the hapless McCanns hadn't left their children alone, none of this would have happened. We all make mistakes, true, but some things are second nature to most of us, like putting on our seatbelt when we get into a car, we err on the side of caution. As for Dodi and Diana, I don't care whether or not Dodi and Diana were out of their brains on cocaine, I don't care whether Diana was pregnant or not, I never believed in The People's Princess mass hysteria bullshit and it strikes me that a lot of people have made and will continue to make a good living out of the ten years of pedestal polishing that has gone on and will probably go on for many more years. Call me an old cynic, if you like 'cos I don't really care about any of this bullshit. "Clive, you're an old cynic". Yup.
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 4, 2007 13:04:28 GMT
If you're an old cynic then so am I! I agree with everything in your post, so I must be old before my time
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Post by ojiveojive on Oct 4, 2007 16:28:30 GMT
You're not old amber, you have wisdom beyond your years
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 4, 2007 16:57:17 GMT
Same to you then
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Post by malxscfc on Oct 5, 2007 23:23:50 GMT
So do I sue my hapless parents?
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 6, 2007 9:25:02 GMT
You probably COULD if you got skin cancer, which I find rather sad as in those days they probably didn't know so much about skin cancer and your parents probably still thought sunshine was healthy.
Don't try and tell me the McCanns didn't know about abduction.
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Post by Giggy of Telford on Oct 6, 2007 19:34:49 GMT
Wouldn't that be similar to when overweight people tried sueing McDonalds in America?
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Post by ambersalamander on Oct 7, 2007 12:57:47 GMT
I would say so, but at least the fatties should have KNOWN that greasy, fried food would make them fat.
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Post by Giggy of Telford on Oct 7, 2007 22:49:23 GMT
Didn't stop them getting some very generous out of court settlements from McDonalds....admittedly a lot of that money probably went straight back into bigmacs and the circle of life was complete.
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